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Third box for filling in author's names

It would be a good idea to divide authors' names in three parts instead of two: for instance, Dutch authors often have insertions in their names: given name, insertion(s), last name. Insertions can be for instance "van", "de" or "van de", causing authors, as it is now, to be found under the V or D of the insertions instead of under the first letter of their last name. A solution could be a third or middle box, in which insertions can be filled in. That could also be used by people who want to use their middle name: alphabetizing for instance "John G. Field" and "Jan G. van den Akker" would give "Field, John G." and "Akker, Jan G. van den"; the correct forms. In that way also the two letter abbreviation of "Jan G. van den Akker" would become "JA", as it should, instead of "JV", as it is now (although of course "JvdA" would be greatly preferred). If someone does not have an insertion, or no middle name, or does not want to use it (some people even have four of five names plus insertions) the field can be left empty; for them nothing changes.

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      • Anonymous commented  · 

        These solutions look potentially very useful. But there is another issue with finding all papers of an author by using the "filter by author". The problem is that sometimes the author first name is given as just the first letter, with or without a point, sometimes complete. It depends on the journal format and Mendely just reads what is given in the author list and if possible makes a DOI check to get more complete information if available... For example L van Beethoven, L. van Beethoven or finally Ludwig van Beethoven are usually the same person, but one or the other format coud be used in publications of this author on different journals and then all the three forms would appear as different items in the "filter by author" list... So when you select one of the items on the list you would not get all the papers by the same authors. As a workaround I manually change the names to have just the first letter of the first names (without dot), but that is not an ideal solution...
        I do not have a proposition for a solution actually but I think that there is a problem with this issue.

      • A. van WeerdenA. van Weerden commented  · 

        In the meantime, someone suggested a much better solution: suppose it would be possible to first choose a name format by choosing a country? Selecting a country would adjust the boxes to fill in, and the database then takes care of the rest: knowing which country's format is chosen, it knows how to alphabetize and address people.

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        I also agree with Anne van Weerden!

      • Roos GoverdeRoos Goverde commented  · 

        Although I so not have a name with an insertion, like described, I certainly agree with Anne van Weerden!

      • Stof van StedumStof van Stedum commented  · 

        Think also of Ludwig van Beethoven, the German composer. His surname is 'van Beethoven', but he sorts under de 'B', not 'v'. Like everybody knows him as Beethoven, so sorting under de 'v' is making him unfindable.
        Like A van Weerden, surname 'van Weerden', sorts under 'W', not 'v'. And I Stof van Stedum, surname 'van Stedum', sort under the 'S', not 'v'.

        The Dutch and German differ a little, but the key point stays: Surnames beginning with 'van', 'van der', 'de' (and some more; all Dutch) and 'von' (German) don't sort under 'V' or 'D'.

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